April 18, 2020 at 2:51 pm #306597
Relatively new here. I had been shopping for an MGTD kit car, but the rather draconian DMV laws in Connecticut make it exceedingly difficult to register a kit car from out of state, but incredibly easy to do so for one previously registered or titled here. Well, lo and behold a Bugatti type 35 kit came up at a price I couldn’t pass up, so… I didn’t pass it up. I love the TD, but it looks like that will have to be my next one!
Anyway, unlike many of these kits, it does NOT have a hatch built into the hood to access anything in front of the cockpit. For many reasons I need to put one in, and I have studied the car well and have a plan in place in terms of what specific work needs to be done to realize it.
My big concern is that I don’t have any experience cutting this kind of fiberglass, and there doesn’t seem to be much info floating around out there specific to kit cars of this era. Does anyone here have experience cutting body panels on these? What are the pitfalls? What tools/blades work best? Any information anyone could provide would be much appreciated!
Thanks much and stay safe!
April 19, 2020 at 7:47 am #306599R.PutnamParticipant
- This topic was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Mark Radzin.
Marco, I have had good luck with an air powered 3″ cut off tool. be careful, it cuts really fast, but very clean. wear eye protection and a dust mast (if you can find one). with a steady hand it cuts fairly straight, but again very fast. A 90degree die grinder with a 2″ disk works well to profect your work, but hand sanding with a block is much safer and cleaner. Good luck, and we would really like to see that Bugatti replica.April 19, 2020 at 10:16 am #306600
Thanks for the tips— I need an extremely straight cut for this, so was thinking of using the Dremel Ultra Saw, which is a small and fine bladed saw that has built in guides that I can use with a jig to keep the cut straight.
in addition to taping the area to cut to avoid chipping and marking the line on that, I thought it would make sense to put hash marks across the cut line to facilitate proper alignment when I reinstall the hood piece.
in terms of finishing, I understand the edge needs to be sanded, but is there also a need to seal it? I was thinking to spread a layer of epoxy along the edge to avoid any future delamination or flaking.
Thanks again for the help— any other advice is greatly appreciated! Will make sure to post a few pics of the Bug-atti when I get a chance.April 19, 2020 at 10:30 am #306604
Just a safety reminder…
Have a fire extinguisher handy. Fiberglass is VERY prone to catch fire and when it does, it burns fast! you never know what your blade might touch and set off some sparks that might catch fire. It’s always better to be safe than sorry…
I almost bought the kit you’re talking about. They’re beautiful cars and the one I looked at had a front hood that was hinged and opened on both sides! The Volkswagon was accessed in the rear by lifting the back trunk that was also hinged! It was soooo Cool! It wouldn’t start, when I wanted to test drive it so the dealer told me that they would fix the problem (a starter relay switch) and I’d return to test drive it in a couple days…When I returned, in a couple days, the car was sold! I was broken hearted but a month later, they had my MG kit car on the lot and I bought it. I’ve loved her ever since!
I’d also love to see some pictures of your ride!!!April 19, 2020 at 4:16 pm #306605Michael DavisParticipant
If you are cutting from the “good” side, use a jig saw with a very fine blade, but one that cuts on the down stroke, not the up stroke. The teeth point down. These are available at hobby supply stores and woodworking sites. They are fairly easy to find. Plus use tape to protect the surface.April 19, 2020 at 5:18 pm #306606
I appreciate the additional advice. Just how concerned should I be about fire? I have seen people cut fiberglass with small circular saws like the one I plan to use (as well as multi-tools like the Fein Multimaster). If I keep a good feed speed, should fire be something I fear or just be mindful of and ready to deal with if things somehow go south?
At any rate, I think I need to use the small circular saw at least selectively. Even if I have to use a jigsaw for the main cuts, I at least need to do an initial plunge cut to get started. Also, there are a few select places where there is material I need to not cut fairly close behind the body panel and that a jigsaw would impact. One of the things that attracted me to the Ultra Saw was that it has precise control over cut depth and maxes out at 3/4”, which could be vital in those spots.
So hoping the Ultra Saw works as described, but if not I can fall back on my jigsaw for all but a few cuts.
Thanks again!April 19, 2020 at 5:37 pm #306611
Just be mindful of the fire hazard. I was watching an episode of Fast and Loud, when one of their fiberglass projects caught fire. They had to rush to put it out quick. I think they were working on that Vet they did for Hot Wheels!
And the idea of the Tape is brilliant! that helps to reduce the chipping on the topside of the project. And what ever tool you choose to use, always use a fine blade and buy a few since they dull fast, while cutting fiberglass…April 19, 2020 at 8:33 pm #306615
I should do a proper post on this li’l jalopy, but since you’ve been so kind in sharing your expertise, here are a few pics per your requests!April 19, 2020 at 8:34 pm #306616
Another…April 19, 2020 at 8:35 pm #306617
And just one more…April 19, 2020 at 9:25 pm #306618
She’s a Real Beauty!!!
The one I looked at and tried to buy had racing screens rather than a proper windshield. This way, you’re avoiding the mandatory racing goggles! LOL
I sure like it!!!April 19, 2020 at 10:36 pm #306619
Thanks! I actually would prefer the Brooklands style screen, but it came with this one. I believe the racing screens were not street legal in CT when this was registered (nor are they now). So full windshield it is. While the Brooklands would be more authentic, there were some contemporary Bugattis with similar windscreens, so it’s not entirely without precedent. And as you say, it provides a bit more anti-bug protection!
Who knows, if I ever move somewhere with less stringent regulations, I may well change it out.
BTW, what color was the one you had wanted before the MG came your way?April 20, 2020 at 1:00 am #306620
She was Beautiful! Yellow paint with Black leather interior! The engine was a supped up VW 1776 with dual carbs! the entire front end was storage and when you opened the Boot, it was black carpet with mirrors showing off the 6 disk CD changer and the security system! She was amazing!!! I had always hoped to see her driving around Redlands or Yucaipa but I never saw her again…
She was The One That Got Away!!! LOL
But don’t tell The Penny Marie I said that!!!April 20, 2020 at 9:49 pm #306621edward ericsonParticipant
You shouldn’t have to seal the cut edge of the glass but an epoxy coat is probably best practice and suitable for marine use. You will want to finish the edge with paint and that should prevent delamination for many years in this application.
Using a jig is also the right idea. I free-cut a fair amount on Bridget and found there’s no way to make a perfect straight line without jigging it up.
Aside from the cutoff wheel on a grinder, and the jigsaw and the small circular saw, best tools are a Dremel and/or a drywall cutter (i.e. Rotozip, etc.).
There is no way to do this without making a lot of dust. It won’t probably catch on fire but your skin might feel like it did!
Congrats on your Bugatti and welcome to the group!April 29, 2020 at 5:04 pm #306647Paul MossbergKeymaster
I cut a lot of fiberglass with a jig saw. I used blades that had no teeth, but have a abrasive “grit” cutting edge. Look for blades intended for tile, stone or masonry.
If you’re trimming, it;s best to cut “large” and sand down to your marks.
For the job you are doing, a long straight cut, you’ll want some sort of jig set up.
Most kits were manufactured with chopper gun fiberglass, not hand laid sheets. There should be no need to “seal” the edge other than paint.
Wear eye goggles and a face mask. You don’t need a respirator as you would for paint of fiberglass layup. But you don’t want to be breathing in the fiberglass dust.
Wear long sleeves, long pants and gloves. Don’t ask why I know that!
Former Owner of a 1981 Classic Roadsters Ltd. Duchess (VW)
2005 Intermeccanica Roadster
If you own a TDr and are not in the Registry, please go to https://tdreplica.com/forums/topic/mg-td-replica-registry/ and register (you need to copy and paste the link)June 26, 2020 at 5:15 pm #307032
I am about at the point of doing this cutting project and talked to a guy in a body shop to pick his brain, but he does not seem to know a lot about these kinds of cars or this kind of fiberglass. I am going to do the job myself, but some of the things he said brought up questions that you all surely jame more expertise on:
— He seems to think it would be necessary to build an attach a frame to back of the hood to keep it from warping. I don’t recall seeing that on any other fiberglass kit cars, and would think that if I have the piano hinge at the top and a flap behind all the edges with 3 strong hold downs at the bottom, that warping wouldn’t normally be a problem.
— Also, he was of the opinion that the whole car would need to be repainted No matter what, but from your previous replies it seems like taping the cut and using a very fine grinding blade for tile or metal would help avoid chipping, and that sanding and painting the edge (I may do epoxy under the paint as well) should probably— PROBABLY— be fine. In terms of minor touch ups, I have found a readily available paint shade that is a near PERFECT match for my car’s finish color… so minor touch ups along the edge are a possibility.
So, in the opinion of those who have experience with this kind of cutting, and experience with hoods (!), am I right or wrong? The main thing is I want to get this work done and look good, but don’t want to spend an arm and a leg or take the car to pieces to do it.June 26, 2020 at 8:43 pm #307035edward ericsonParticipant
You’re right, re the paint. The more care you take the better it’ll end up looking.
Regarding the hood reinforcement, it depends on the hood. On the TDrs, some of them are a bit floppy, with no reinforcement. Some are floppy with wood spars glassed in underneath. Mine is a little floppy with a metal trim piece bolted through the middle, and some thin metal reinforcement glassed in on the hinge side.
I’ve yet to see one that’s really stiff and sound. Maybe on the Allison cars?
They don’t really “warp” though, once cured. And believe me, after all the time that’s passed since these bits came out of their molds, replica TDs and Bugattis are fully cured.June 26, 2020 at 9:02 pm #307038
Thanks, Edward. Very helpful.
Do you think it would make sense to add a little bracing in the back? If so, what would be the best way to do that?June 27, 2020 at 10:51 am #307039Dale SchumacherParticipant
I installed two oak 1×1’s full length on either side of the center and used fiberglass mat and epoxied them to the bottom of the hood on mine many years ago. Really helped stiffen up the hood and still doing great.June 28, 2020 at 11:50 am #307046
Thanks, Dale! That is helpful. Do you think some metal bar stock applied the same way would do? Seems like it would provide similar rigidity with a lower profile.June 28, 2020 at 5:53 pm #307047Dale SchumacherParticipant
I am sure it would – maybe 3/4″ square aluminum – light and rigid. Can buy at Lowes or Home Depot in the hardware dept.
Bar stock might flex down ( sag ) a bit – not rigid like square or triangle stock in my opinion.
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