October 21, 2008 at 9:26 am #232453
Has anybody tried installing a converted VW Type IV motor in a TD replica?
PatOctober 21, 2008 at 1:15 pm #237614Scott A ChynowethParticipant
The transmission bolt patterns should be the same.I do not recall if the type 4 is the same width.It is however abit deeper than a type 1 due to different air cooling shroud on the front of the motor verses the type 1 being on top.I would measure the two motors and check your clearance front to back/side to side.May require some modificaction the the engine cover.October 21, 2008 at 2:25 pm #237615
Almost went there with the first Pink MG. Many Speedster replicas are going this route. It sure makes the most sense too. Start with something that started out at 2.0L, not 1.2L.
I found most Type I motors run too hot and are not reliable when they are made bigger than 1776cc unless they are converter to the Porsche type cooling fan and shrouding and run deep sump, full flow oil systems. All of this ain’t cheap, so the Type IV made good sense.
The two things that stopped me…Jake Rabbe was the only supplier of decent rebuilt motors and his stuff was way too costly and way too long a wait to get one. The other, the engine cover and rear “frame” would have to be modified to make it fit.
These motors are not easy to find…good or trashed. But if you do it, post all about it here please.October 21, 2008 at 3:15 pm #237616
I am dreaming. I have more than enough work ahead of me with the car the way it is. The car I purchased had not been maintained in years. Some of the kit parts were not installed and I guess lost over the years. Some of the work that had been done was a hack job that will need to be corrected. The front tube had been cut and turned so I need to replace that. While that is off I plan to put discs on the front as well as a complete front end rebuild. New bearings, bushings, etc. I know the engine will need a rebuild sooner than later. It runs good enough for me to get the rest of the car correct.
I live in northern Wisconsin and my garage is not heated so my garage work is about done for the year. It’s already been in the 30’s. Nothing like cold concrete and freezing metal.
So what’s left for me is to dream about work I would like to do. I was kind of hoping someone had done a Type IV install. It fits in a beetle so… Seems like it would be the way to go…
PatOctober 21, 2008 at 3:38 pm #237617Scott A ChynowethParticipant
Where in northern wi.I am in central wi.Manitowoc.I may have a boxwood woodstove up for grabs.October 21, 2008 at 4:04 pm #237618
Glidden… Just south of Ashland 30 miles…October 22, 2008 at 1:53 pm #237619
Pat, If you decide to go the Type IV route…post the project here.
It snowed in Northeast Pennsylvania/Northwest New Jersey last night. I live on the central New Jersey coast and it’s been in the high 30’s the last few nights too. Colder than usual this year.
You guys “Cheeseheads”?…Brett Favre is a NY Jet now…go figure!
Mark H.October 22, 2008 at 4:14 pm #237620
Ouch… I have mixed feelings about GB letting Brett go. It’s hard to watch him play for another team.
If Aaron Rogers (the plastic kid) stays healthy it might work out. It looks like it will be a long season for us “Cheeseheads”.
When I was in the Navy I went to school in Moorestown NJ. Pretty nice area. I guess that’s considered Central NJ.
As for the Type IV conversion… I was going to keep my eyes open for a VW 411/412. See if I can pick one up cheap just for the motor.
PatOctober 23, 2008 at 11:20 am #237621
Most people don’t even know what a VW 411/412 is. I have not seen one, even at VW shows, in decades.
Moorestown, NJ is where the Navy Sea Systems Warfare sight is. It’s about 50 miles southwest of where I live and is considered South Jersey, being fairly close to Philadelphia. I live right next to the Atlantic Ocean near Sandy Hook in town called Oceanport on the Shrewsbury River. I work at Fort Monmouth.
I used to follow football closely and was always a Packer fan. Vince Lombardi is from the town north of me and is buried there. I was a Jet fan in the Joe Willie Namath days. I hope ole Bret has a good time with the Jets and they win a few games.
In this area there are 3 pro teams you could follow in the major sports and 4 hockey teams. Jets, Giants, Eagles/Yankees, Mets, Phillies/Nets, Knicks, 76ers/Islanders, Devils, Rangers, Flyers…too many for me.October 24, 2008 at 3:46 pm #237622
Well you never now what might show up somewhere… 412/411. I did see some hoods for sale in Portage, Wisconsin. So somewhere there might be a hoodless 412. I would like to know if anyone had ever done the install. Seems like it should fit with just modifying the engine cover which I had planned to do sometime anyway. The Daytona MiGi engine cover is kind of weak. I can’t mount a spare without mods to it.
Moorestown… yeah I went to school at the site you’re talking about. Lockheed Martin was the big contractor there. I was an AEGIS radar operator while in the Navy. I felt pretty old when I found out the state of the art ship I pre-commisioned had been mothballed. Seems like just yesterday.
October 26, 2008 at 11:32 am #237623
I worked at Bath Iron Works In Maine from 1978-1980 for “Supship” Bath for the USN. I was in a “RIF” at Fort Monmouth and took a job via the DOD Priority Placement Program. I had two ships assigned, one FG overhaul and one new Perry Class FFG build.
The FG-1097 USS Capodano was mothballed in the late 80’s and the FFG-7 Oliver Hazzard Perry was scrapped in 2000. Now I feel really old!
The Type IV motor is a bolt in as far as the transaxle/starter. The rear frame work (body support) and the engine cover are the PITA. I’m sure that the frame, usually cheap angle iron is an easy mod to remake, but the engine cover may need some fiberglass work which isn’t all all impossible.
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