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  • #235805
    David Sakrison
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    @sakrison

    I bought a MiGi already built, with a top and side curtains included but not installed. I think they are from MG Magic but I can’t swear to it.

    The windshield has wind wings and I can’t figure out how the front of the side curtain is supposed to be fastened. There’s no sleeve for a stiffener and it wouldn’t fit in the windshield channel, anyway, because of the windwing brackets. Does anyone have a clue? I had the top installed by an auto trim shop and they couldn’t figure it out, either.
     

    #265151
    Royal
    Participant

    @royal

    Many of out TDr’s have problems with side curtain to windwing interference and we each have different ways of tackling the problem.  (It sounds like your TDr is not a BCW or an Allison, both of which have real MG-like windshields.) 

    Also, there are a lot of differences between our tops and our side curtains. 

    I have never seen side curtains that fit into the front facing channel of the windshield.

    More and better pictures of the top erected as well as flat pic of the side curtains would help. 

    I’m not absolutely convinced that you have the photo labeled correctly regarding “front”. 

    #265152
    Paul Mossberg
    Keymaster

    @pmossberg

    Ditto most of what Roy said.

    I’ll assume you have “front” correct because the curtain fits the rest of the roof cutout in this orientation. Also, the leading edge of the window portion is typically straight, not curved.

     

    The leading edges of the curtain looks unfinished to me. Are the curtains longer than the side openings? By that I mean, when zipped to the roof, do the leading eges of the vinyl extend beyond the windshield frame side post?

     

    If they do…my best guess is that the curtains are not finished off.

     

    Fold them back to align with the frame side posts (folding to the inside, possible also sewing them flat).

    Attach female snaps to the curtains, with corresponding male snaps on the windshield frame side posts.

    PMOSSBERG2015-07-15 18:26:05

    Paul Mossberg
    Former Owner of a 1981 Classic Roadsters Ltd. Duchess (VW)
    2005 Intermeccanica Roadster

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    #265153
    Paul Mossberg
    Keymaster

    @pmossberg

    I just read through the FiberFab, MiGi and CMC assembly manuals and found nothing there to help. They all infer the curtains are fully finished off.

     

    Didn’t need to read the Classic Roadsters Ltd. Manual. I’m intimately familiar with that one! 😉

     

    I suspect, as you do, that your roof is not orginal to the car. It’s aftermarket, whether MG Magic or someplace else.

     

    It makes sense to me they might leave the curtains unfinished. There can be so much variance with these cars, even within the same manufacturer. Leaving an aftermarket roof/curtain set unfinished would allow each to be tailored to a specific TDr.

    PMOSSBERG2015-07-15 18:32:43

    Paul Mossberg
    Former Owner of a 1981 Classic Roadsters Ltd. Duchess (VW)
    2005 Intermeccanica Roadster

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    #265154
    Vicenç Feliú
    Keymaster

    @sabreur76

    My side curtains fit into the channel in the windshield.  They are cut out in 3 sections and fit around the windshield wings.  Later today I will take a pic a post it here so you can see what I mean.

    Vicenç - (bee sense)
    Pembroke Pines, FL
    1986 Aston - BCW Model 52 - "Montse II"

    (1983 FiberFab MiGi II - "Montse")

    #265155
    Vicenç Feliú
    Keymaster

    @sabreur76

    passenger side window

    Vicenç - (bee sense)
    Pembroke Pines, FL
    1986 Aston - BCW Model 52 - "Montse II"

    (1983 FiberFab MiGi II - "Montse")

    #265156
    Vicenç Feliú
    Keymaster

    @sabreur76

    curtain in place

    Vicenç - (bee sense)
    Pembroke Pines, FL
    1986 Aston - BCW Model 52 - "Montse II"

    (1983 FiberFab MiGi II - "Montse")

    #265157
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I also have side curtains that fit into the windshield frame as the top does. Real pain to get into car when they are attached. Also have side curtains that snap on the outside of the windshield frame on side  and on the inside. Also hard to get into when side curtains are installed.

      Looks like side curtain will have to be fit to windshield frame after windshield is fit to car. Top shop or boat shop could do the sewing.

    #265158
    Royal
    Participant

    @royal

    Curtains into the front of the windshield frame? That’s a new one on me. I’m trying to visualize getting into or out of the car. Failed.
    Not very MGTD like: you’re supposed to get wet when it rains. ????

    #265159
    Vicenç Feliú
    Keymaster

    @sabreur76

    First time I used them was on Wednesday on the way to the Pittsburgh Countryside Tour because it rained all the way there.  It’s a pain in the behind and you do wet getting in and out.  In my car I have to put the front tabs into the channel, snap the front tab on the roof to the top windshield frame, get in the car, zip the top of the curtain shut, put my hand through the zippered slit on the bottom of the curtain, and snap the bottom of the curtain to the door.  Just a snap if you ask me!  😉

    Vicenç - (bee sense)
    Pembroke Pines, FL
    1986 Aston - BCW Model 52 - "Montse II"

    (1983 FiberFab MiGi II - "Montse")

    #265160
    billnparts
    Participant

    @billnparts

    I recall British shows in the ’70’s where a contest was held to assemble their top the quickest with a water hose trained on you.

    Bill Ascheman
    Fiberfab Ford
    Modified 5.0, 5sp., 4:11
    Autocross & Hillclimb
    "Drive Happy"

    #265161
    Paul Mossberg
    Keymaster

    @pmossberg

    I’ve posted this one a dozen times. Well, maybe not a dozen, but a lot. 😉

    When I Googled for pics of the tool, one of my own posts came up fourth in the search results. Beat out lots of retailers. Approve

    Anyway, this will help you fasten those snaps on the windshield frame, from inside the car!

    Available lots of places, especially boat product retailers. But here’s just one:

    http://www.amazon.com/Ironwood-Pacific-008-1-Top-Snapper-Snap/dp/B00GHU5PXO

    PMOSSBERG2015-07-18 11:57:29

    Paul Mossberg
    Former Owner of a 1981 Classic Roadsters Ltd. Duchess (VW)
    2005 Intermeccanica Roadster

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    #265162
    Royal
    Participant

    @royal

    It seems that a lot of us have questions or problems with our convertible top.  Or have seen others that they prefer on other’s cars.  Examples:

    1.  Paul’s top is beautiful, but is it practical if you have toll booths?

    2.  The clear windows in Roy’s side curtains zip down.  (A feature that I really love.)

    3.  A lot of the Fiberfabs have rear zip out/down windows.  A nice feature. 

    4.  I saw a top once that could be completely removed without removing the bows.  A nice feature?

    5.  I believe that an Allison had MG-like framed and removable side curtains (but am not sure).  While these allow opening of the doors without unsnapping and unzipping, and they are very original, my experience is that they are noisy and leak badly in a rain while underway. 

    I have been shopping for one for 4 years now and simply can not afford the $1000+/- that a top and side curtains cost to have manufactured by a marine sail shop.  I have had about 4 estimates and they were all within pennies of each other. 

    I was looking at John Barry’s top in another post and noticed that he has (apparently) an unusual fitment of the front to the windshield frame.  John’s top looks to snap on the leading edge similar to the way that my old 1959 BugEye’d Sprite.
    (It even leaked when it wasn’t raining.)  Most of us have a flat bar that fits into a slot in the leading edge of the windshield frame.  The only MG-like originals that I know of are on a BCW which are almost, if not exactly, like on the TD (and others).  I don’t remember how the Allison top attaches. 

    About 2 years ago, when Happy Jack owned a Fiberfab, and a BCW he needed some canvas, I took my Daytona over.  We discovered something that I was a total surprise.  We took all the tops and tonneau covers off and found that all three buckets are different sized.  Not by much, but by enough to make a difference.  (I am not talking about snap locations) 

    At the VaBch show, I noticed that Vicenc has an unusual location of the hinges for his bows.  I believe that a Fiberfab top would not work on his Fiberfab without modification. 

    I once bought, what was claimed to be, a Fiberfab top for my Daytona and there were too many differences to make it work.  Sold it. 

    The punch line:  Be careful if you are buying a top online. 

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